Warnings from Windows about downloads !?

Perhaps the fastest “bug” discovery ever…?

Cannot download; Google Docs won’t mirror; Chrome even crashed!; unable to proceed, lol.

I’ve downloaded the file on a test Windows 11 machine I have without issue - yes it complains about it being untrusted and blah, not signed by Microsoft etc, but the file is good and works. So maybe try again ??

Tried about 5 times. Chrome very unhappy, crashes every time. Can certainly try from Edge, but if that fails, I’ll keep my distance for the time being. Sorry!

UPDATE: Tried repeatedly to download/save with MS Edge, and kept getting increasingly dire warnings, up until this one, after which (despite my indicating “It’s Safe!”) it declined to complete the download:

I’m not making this up… downloads fine on a plain Windows 11 and Chrome Version 110.0.5481.178 (Official Build) (64-bit) install. You probably have an antivirus engine doing stupid things (and they do sometimes).

But it’s not my AV or Firewall, it’s the browsers themselves, which I don’t think I can override. I’ll continue trying, promise.

Yes I get this too. It’s normal and part of the “we don’t know about this file as it’s not signed”

Folks, if you’re not willing to download a file form the site then fine, don’t - as part of the beta process you have to take some risks that the software might have bugs, might be less than normal for installing and along the way the steps are little more complex than normal.

That’s the way it is. The software is fine and the download complaints you are seeing are just false warnings by the browsers saying that they can’t confirm the safety of the file. Big whoop!

I mean it even says it in the title…


If you don’t trust it, then don’t…

Having deactivated ALL anti-virus protections, I managed to complete the download and install it, so I’m up and running the latest version with no complaints in the Win10 OS or browser:

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Curious - the approach of having and EXE on the hubivue.com website hasn’t changed in all the time for beta and/or non-beta releases for Windows.

Habe you changed / updated your Windows software lately, because technically, you should have seen this barrage of complaints before. I have and still do for both macOS and Windows every single time I download my own software from my own website! Other users have reported that too.

As you know, I will be changing to the Apple AppStore for macOS and Microsoft Store for Windows, so production builds will be released that way. I’m inclined to stop doing betas for desktop and only release them for Android and iOS - the beta builds release process in the store works and it is zero effort on my part to do. Building the desktop builds takes time and this hassles are always going to exist (and get worse if Microsoft doesn’t make a test process that works in the store - which is looks like they don’t).

I do hope you (and others) know that the browsers are stupid/dumb and don’t actually do anything other than check for a signing certificate that says the software comes from someone called GRANT SLENDER who paid Microsoft $$$ for the use of the certificate. It doesn’t check to see if the download copies all your private files to some server remotely, encrypts them and deletes your hard drive. The other loop hole is that even if I did use the developer certificates, it doesn’t stop my home computer from being hacked, and then the bad guy using my certificate to add some malware to my build and publishing it on my website for you to all trust and download. This hack has occurred before in the world and many bad guys use this technique to get their malware into trusted community - it isn’t bullet proof.

So you thinking you’re protecting yourself by relying on it is false hope. The only thing it does is force all software developers to pay a tax to Apple and Microsoft for the right to sign their software. It isn’t malware protection.

Nope, no updates or changes. Cannot explain this particular anomaly, but it wasn’t just Windows balking; it was Google Docs (Backup & Sync) as well, so yeah, weird.

Only affected me trying to use your .exe URL. To be even clearer, rest assured it does not affect the MS Store conduit. I now have both installed side-by-side.

NOTE, TOO, that none of the warnings were like the long-ago SIGNING / CERTIFICATION issue(s) that you reference here.

Apps deployed by the store are signed by Microsoft and checked by them. These apps are safe as they undergo a submission and check step. Software that you download off the internet with the “Developer name XYZ” is just saying someone called “XYZ” built the software … that’s all that is checked.

The warnings from Edge are exactly that - it is saying the download isn’t known by Microsoft as coming from a known developer/signed site etc.

The chrome warnings I’ve never ever seen before and don’t believe it is actually Chrome, but actually the underlying OS Defender or whatever virus scanner you have installed.

Read this… How Can You Fix Failed Virus Detected Error in Google Chrome?

Antivirus software plays an important role in safeguarding your system from security threats and it can block you from downloading untrusted software. In spite of this, sometimes you may receive misinformation.

This means that your antivirus tool may wrongly indicate there is malware in the downloaded file. Although the file is from a legal source, the browser like Google Chrome will prevent the download by sending an alert message to you.

This is what I’d have to buy to avoid the code signing download warnings… such a rip off considering it adds ZERO security

Speaking of updates, I did perform an update to Chrome browser yesterday, so there’s a good chance that introduced some change to its approach to AV. Clearly, disabling the OS’ anti-virus software cleared up the problem.

At no time was it squawking about the .exe being signed or not.

And to date, I don’t recall ever seeing Google Docs balk at uploading stuff from my hard drive; like you, I’m leaning toward it taking its cue from the OS (having flagged the download as potentially unsafe).

I share your views overall on AV art and science, esp. since I knowingly house lots of “questionable” software (vintage stuff from pre-Internet days) on GDocs that could harbor who knows what, lol.

I had the usual “downloading this file is madness, click ‘on your head be it’ or return to the GUI”. I am using Brave tho. Downloaded no problem and installed as usual. I also ran the download on Edge which worked fine too.

I am just about to zap an older laptop and install Ubuntu for giggles, and new Plex and EchoSpeak so I’ll run the download on there when I get a round tuit from Chrome and try sticking it a Samba share.


If you want to install snapd then I can give you a Linux build that I’d be willing to help with

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I’ve never had windows tell me there was a virus detected, just the usual nagging about are sure you trust some random Aussie guy? :wink:

Typically I am using Brave Browser.

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Any cance you can make Windows 10 & 11 like Hubivue?


The issue isn’t going away, and I’m being forced to consider alternative options for Windows due to the unfavourable way Microsoft is behaving.

My options are…

  1. Do nothing and hope that you can trust the download and Run anyway. As mentioned many times before, it isn’t anything more than Windows saying “hey this guy didn’t pay the trust us tax”.

  2. Pull the downloads from the hubiVue website and only provide “occasional” releases for Windows via the Windows Store. These “occasional” versions will always be slow to be released and may be weeks or months behind the other platforms due to the complex nature of Microsoft’s store. They don’t offer any easy way (unlike 4 other vendors) to update and publish into their store.

  3. Charge a $100 USD premium for hubiVue Pro (a lifetime subscription that also includes Windows / macOS desktop versions). These desktop versions will be signed with an EV certificate (at great cost to me) and this will keep Windows / macOS from complaining.

I’m leaning towards option 2) and you’ll just have to accept that Windows store will never be a good solution for hubiVue simple because Microsoft sux at this store/updating app stuff unlike Google and Apple (and Amazon) who seem to do a great job of it… remember the failed Windows phone… do I need to say anymore???

If you wish to dig into the issue, read this and the options outlined. The cost of the EV certificate is considerable. IMO, Microsoft are slowly forcing developers to use their store and close out the way software is made available for Windows. This is purely because of FUD.

Just to clarify something - if I go down the path of Windows Store as the only method of distribution, then there is no Beta version on that platform. Betas/early access to new releases will be only available on Android and Apple (iOS/macOS).

Microsoft don’t seem to have a working concept of test releases (what looks to be a Package Flight) because after much testing, it just doesn’t seem to work - and documentation is woeful. Sorry, but I’m constrained here.

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